Matt interviews music business legend Ula Gehret. They talk about his career, his company Clandestine Music, and all the questions bands often ask about legal issues. Dumb and Dumbest #438 is streaming now and it’s all about Contracts, Lawyers and More! A Conversation with Ula Gehret. Dumb and Dumbest is hosted by Matt Bacon (Dropout Media, Ripple Music, Prophecy Productions), and Music Publicist Curtis Dewar (Dewar PR). In addition to the podcast, Matt and Curtis also run The Music Marketing Challenges: low-cost, super high-value private training to bands and artists. DM Matt, Keefy or Curtis at the links below for details

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